Over the past few weeks we determined that roles are the new classes. That role determines what you do, class determines how you do it and race adds flavor to the mix. We also explored optimized race/mix combos based strictly on desirable attributes. Now I want to know who does it best? Who is the ultimate defender? Who is the ultimate striker? Who is the ultimate leader? Who is the ulitmate controller?
I have a preliminary list, but please don't infer that it implies some advanced scientific methodology. More like my first impressions. I'm anxious to here from those that made and played the characters to see what is their opinion.
Defender: My pick for defender is dwarf gaurdian fighter. The defender needs to have high AC and high hitpoints and be able to stand and take it. The dwarf''s bonus to CON gives him sick hitpoints and his racial abilities to not get knocked prone and to move full speed unencombered make him an ideal fighter. I prefer the gaurdian fighter class because it doesn't dable in anything else. No nature stuff, no striker stuff, no cleric stuff, no arcana stuff. They do one thing: stand their and say, "Though shall not pass!" Besides, the daily limited flight power is a must have.
Striker: My pick for striker is an elf archer ranger. Strikers are focused in doing damage. The amount of damage they do = the amount of damaged produced per round X the number of rounds damaged is produced. Tricking out a striker to do a lot of damage is easy. Keeping him on his feet without reducing his damage output is the hard part. The best solution: keep him out of harms way. A properly equiped elf archer ranger can do 95 points of damage at 4th level in one round from 200' away. Thank you and hello.
Leader: Now I'm out beyond my knowledge, but my impression would be a human cleric. The best leader is the one with live followers and that's what a cleric does.
Controller: Again, not my area of expertise, but I would go with eladrin war wizard. Wizard because it keeps the cleric and nature fluff out. War because is benefits from a high DEX which is imparative to a long lived wizard. And eladrin because they get bonuses to both INT and DEX.
Looking back at my list I see I've built every cheesy archetype available. Is that my subconscious mind striving to bring Tolkein alive, or subversive game design? Who knows?
Who is your Ultimate...
33 Comments
Donk7
5/31/2009 09:10:39 am
TRICK QUESTION
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wiggi
5/31/2009 12:56:54 pm
I couldn't agree more Don, and I can't stand football analogies.
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3 Man
5/31/2009 01:22:04 pm
Please clearly mark your answer below.
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Donk7
5/31/2009 02:41:34 pm
How come anytime someone says something you dont approve of you gotta fall back on gay name callin?
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Donk7
5/31/2009 02:48:05 pm
But if pressed into service I would say that: (again this is without seeing them in battle only on paper).
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3 Man
5/31/2009 11:12:10 pm
To be clear I did not call you gay. I gave you the option of dumb, gay and/or lazy and you chose gay.
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Donk7
5/31/2009 11:54:00 pm
Quick knife strikes. Like a friggin prison shiv.
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Wookie7
6/1/2009 03:22:11 am
All of the above, of course.
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3 Man
6/1/2009 03:25:01 am
Wookie, thank you for answering honestly.
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Donk7
6/1/2009 06:21:06 am
Wookie? I havent seen Steve post. Did you get some muscle relaxers at the hospital?
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3 Man
6/1/2009 06:58:53 am
Wookie posted at 10:22:11. Are you high right now? Can't wait to see the results of tonight's Dnd Deadliest Warrior!
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Donk7
6/1/2009 07:13:35 am
Maybe I smoked my lunch.
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3 Man
6/1/2009 07:52:06 am
I disagree. Steve admitting he is dumb, gay and lazy is an important first step to recovery.
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Donk7
6/1/2009 12:19:18 pm
No kill fest tonight prolly wont happen till wed. or thrurs.
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3 Man
6/1/2009 12:24:56 pm
That would be "B".
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Donk7
6/1/2009 02:45:01 pm
Im gonna chose F. keep you family
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Wookie7
6/2/2009 03:31:09 am
Heh...
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Donk7
6/2/2009 05:54:37 am
Yeah take that you gay ass DM.
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3 Man
6/2/2009 06:44:46 am
Big Gay Steve, excellent post. Again, Don, the idea is not to start a fight, but stimulate conversation. I forgot you could use INT for AC now making a build that utilizes WIS or CHR desirable depending on what skills you want your character to master.
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wiggi
6/2/2009 07:08:43 am
I can't figure out how I ended up gay or how Don's dick ended up in my mouth. Was it good for either of us?
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3 Man
6/2/2009 07:20:47 am
So you're amending your answer from gay to lazy? Fair enough.
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3 Man
6/2/2009 07:30:10 am
So you're ammending your answer from gay to lazy? Fair enough. But seriously, its a simple question. In your humble opinion, who do you think is the most effective at doing his job? No cop outs. No generalities. No qualifications. Just your opinion.
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3 Man
6/2/2009 07:31:24 am
Sorry for the double post. Make that triple.
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Donk7
6/2/2009 07:56:19 am
3man is gay.
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3 Man
6/2/2009 09:09:28 am
One, if this were Shawshank I would be the warden.
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Donk7
6/2/2009 11:00:29 am
Yeah the warden fucked up so bad he had to kill himself.
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wiggi
6/4/2009 07:25:43 am
To answer the question why an avenger and not a barbarian, because. I looked at Don's numbers for a barbarian (though I was only able to generate 121 points of damage in one round) and looked at the numbers for <i>my</i> avneger (generating 80 points of damage in one round) and it comes down to fluff, or feel. (And no my character is not necessarily designed to generate the most damage possible.) To me the character is designed better as an avenger not a barbarian. So I guess that equals fluff.
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3 Man
6/4/2009 09:10:28 am
Excellent post. I, too, only came up with 121, but I'll take Don's word for it. So you know a brute 4th level monster has about 66 hp. The problem would come in when you fight solos. A solo monster like a dragon is designed to equate to 5 monsters so they have about 224 hp. So to clarify your point you could choose an avenger for three good reasons.
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Wookie7
6/5/2009 12:17:05 am
*smacks forehead*
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3 Man
6/5/2009 01:43:17 am
Which head? You bring out the best in me, Wookie.
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Donk7
6/5/2009 06:18:14 am
Allright you assholes when I get home I'll break it down for you guys.
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wiggi
6/7/2009 01:35:25 pm
3man i think i saw the show you were modeling this after - deadliest warrior on spike tv.
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3 Man
6/7/2009 02:38:38 pm
E tool way better. The balistic knife has no knock down power and no explosiveness. Unless it hits on the money it makes a big owie but otherwise keeps you up to fight. The only reason GB lost because they blew it on the pistol range.
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